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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/24/2012 : 13:07:15 [Permalink]
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| At least he solved one part of the mystery. So where are the ghosts that your investigators have turned up? Hell... I doubt that they even look for hoaxes. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
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Storm
SFN Regular
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 Posted - 03/24/2012 : 13:16:25 [Permalink]
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| Oh I looked for hoaxes. But we have talked about my investigations already. have randi fund me to investigate a haunted house for a year. lets see what we come up with. i chalenge him! |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/24/2012 : 13:19:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
Oh I looked for hoaxes. But we have talked about my investigations already. have randi fund me to investigate a haunted house for a year. lets see what we come up with. i chalenge him!
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Ha! So he's supposed to fund you in your effort to support your claim? Or he's somehow not legitimate? Maybe he'll fund my idea for a perpetual motion machine while he's at it.
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Storm
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/24/2012 : 13:46:10 [Permalink]
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| yes...if he is so interested in giving the money out he can fund it. But I guess he has enough troubles now. Oh well. I wish someone else would fund it. Someone serious in the scientific community. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2012 : 13:55:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
yes...if he is so interested in giving the money out he can fund it. But I guess he has enough troubles now. Oh well. I wish someone else would fund it. Someone serious in the scientific community.
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You do realize that the support for a claim is the responsibility of the person making the claim, right? Anyone can make a claim. Who has the time or money to fund research into every claim? Get your paranormal society friends to fund you. It's not Randi's job to prove you wrong. It's your job to prove that you are correct. Do it and you win the million.
That's always been the case, even though some investigations by skeptics happen. Scientists and skeptics are willing to look at the evidence. But it's not up to them to supply it for you.
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Storm
SFN Regular
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708 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2012 : 14:00:06 [Permalink]
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| because they are not interested enough. It still the old ball and chain of fradulent sprititualism that holds them back. The scientific community seems to fund everything else. Things that suit them |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2012 : 14:00:52 [Permalink]
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Storm. What gives. You have been on the attack for days now. You know how this stuff works. You don't need me to tell you that it's up to you to support your claims. Serious scientists are doing serious work. Demonstrate that there are ghosts, and I guarantee that scientists will be all over it trying to figure out what's happening. And you said yourself that there are paranormal scientists who do such work, so why ask Randi to do it? Are your scientists not real?
Why the bug up your ass? What's with that? |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
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Storm
SFN Regular
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708 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2012 : 14:27:46 [Permalink]
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| no bug up my ass? One up yours? I have no scientist who investigate ghosts...only PK. Why are ghosts not serious. ya know why beacuse of the frauds and that is why my conviction is strong. Not only that Scientists still think in the old way. Ghosts= life after death. That is not my belief. If scientists could just take a step back. Plus its bullshit they do not fund convictions they do it all the time, their intersts though. this is a forum I can express my thoughts and you guys help me see things. but cut me a break. |
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 03/24/2012 : 17:56:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
no bug up my ass? One up yours? I have no scientist who investigate ghosts...only PK. Why are ghosts not serious. ya know why beacuse of the frauds and that is why my conviction is strong. Not only that Scientists still think in the old way. Ghosts= life after death. That is not my belief. If scientists could just take a step back. Plus its bullshit they do not fund convictions they do it all the time, their intersts though. this is a forum I can express my thoughts and you guys help me see things. but cut me a break.
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Previous experiments haven't generated any useful results, so we don't have a reason to expect something to come out of further research. Get some cheap preliminary results that give some reason to suspect results and they'll have a way to sell the idea to funders. Lots of useful scientific work doesn't cost much money, particularly in the preliminary stages.
Sorry to hear about Pena, and I agree Randi probably knew, and if so, that's a bad personal failing for Randi since it is a case of identity theft, which is a serious crime. But it gives no reason to doubt Randi's past or current work. |
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-Giordano Bruno
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
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Storm
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Posted - 03/24/2012 : 18:18:02 [Permalink]
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| perhaps new experiments need to be done. A different approach,,not as proof of life after death but of past images replayed in the minds of sensative people. mostly past images of tragic events or high emotion. Instead of a day investigation or a couple of hours why not a year. Scientists don't want to do the research because old results have yielded no results yet the phenomena still goes on. A new way of investigating ghosts has to be explored. No cheap ghost reality shows. Real Science and Reason |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/24/2012 : 19:26:13 [Permalink]
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In order to investigate something you must first be able to demonstrate that the something is real.
You'd have to be monumentally ignorant to not grasp this simple fact.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Storm
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Posted - 03/25/2012 : 10:46:02 [Permalink]
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I wouldn't say I was monumentally ignorant. And I get the point. But thats just it ghost phenomena still continues. Reports still made. Its not something we could not replicate and then it went away. As science knows sometimes the way in which we test and investigate needs to be tweeked and changed.Science and skeptics still live in the paradigm of fraudelant mediums, touched up photos or doctored videos. Mediums still think they speak with the dead. We need a knew way of thinking, a knew way of investigating. Not the expactation that the phenomena can be called out to appear like these ridiculous ghost hunter do on t.v.
not every experience is subterrain rusty pipes or expanding wood. or grieving relatives. Actually most of your ghost reports have nothing to do with family members.They are usually associated with a tragic history. Just because we can't replicate ghostly phenomena does not mean it does not exist. Actually ghostly phenomena does replicate itself we just can't control it. |
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 03/25/2012 : 14:47:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
perhaps new experiments need to be done. A different approach,,not as proof of life after death but of past images replayed in the minds of sensative people. mostly past images of tragic events or high emotion. Instead of a day investigation or a couple of hours why not a year. Scientists don't want to do the research because old results have yielded no results yet the phenomena still goes on. A new way of investigating ghosts has to be explored. No cheap ghost reality shows. Real Science and Reason
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The problem is you're arguing the phenomenon still goes on, but you say experiments have yielded no results. How do you know there is a phenomenon? We can't build knowledge on the basis of trusting people reporting things that no one has found a shred of evidence to suggest is real. |
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
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Randy
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Posted - 03/25/2012 : 18:50:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Machi4velli
Originally posted by Storm
perhaps new experiments need to be done. A different approach,,not as proof of life after death but of past images replayed in the minds of sensative people. mostly past images of tragic events or high emotion. Instead of a day investigation or a couple of hours why not a year. Scientists don't want to do the research because old results have yielded no results yet the phenomena still goes on. A new way of investigating ghosts has to be explored. No cheap ghost reality shows. Real Science and Reason
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The problem is you're arguing the phenomenon still goes on, but you say experiments have yielded no results. How do you know there is a phenomenon? We can't build knowledge on the basis of trusting people reporting things that no one has found a shred of evidence to suggest is real.
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Brings to mind this nice little ditty.....
"The thing about claims from the internet is that it's hard to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 03/25/2012 : 21:34:57 [Permalink]
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| Randy, please provide a link to show the authenticity of that Lincoln quote. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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A difficult post
