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Ricky
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  14:04:36  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
I went through one of the forums at SkepticTimes.com, this is from the Creationists Only forum:

http://www.rshadarack.com/skepticTimesQuotes.html

Pick your favorite one. Mine is:

"the speed of light is a distance not a time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!" - Kevkev

Speed of light is....... A FREAKEN SPEED

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov

H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  14:17:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
This is mine:
quote:
"geomagnetic-field reversals" - From a quote in a post by Ricky

"Yes, I cannot see in any way how magnetic polarity can actually switch. To my knolage, there have been no instances of even very SMALL magnets switching polarities (much less something large...like say, the earth)" - Crucible Guardian

But, Ricky, what's the Crucible Guardian and why were you quoting them?

"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/04/2004 14:18:49
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  14:20:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
"darwin - karl marx - communism. if u can't see that, i can't help."

Coming from people who fail to understand both the Theory of Evolution and the Theory of Communism.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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filthy
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14408 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2004 :  14:33:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I will have to go with this one for the nonce:

"HOLY CRAP! That was one hell of a long post I didn't read it, but I believe you: evolution is a lie" - Jimi

Didn't read it, but knows all about it. :rolleyes:

Edited: I can't seem to get over this outrageous statement! It so typically sums up the position of the average creationist. They do no science, no study; they ignore or twist, never factually refute, all evidence presented, yet they are lockjaw certain that their's is the only set of facts.

Why is this? Some of them, true, are just, plain stupid, but certainly not all. Indeed, most are as intelligent as the rest of us.

It makes no sense to me.


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Edited by - filthy on 10/04/2004 14:53:48
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Plyss
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Netherlands
231 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2004 :  15:10:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Plyss a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

Pick your favorite one.



I'd be hard-pressed to pick one. I'd have to go with

quote:

"Exactly. And when you tell people they have evolved, the natural question to ask is who has evolved the furthest." - Jimi


and

quote:

"Well the Bible talks about there being "giants in the earth" in the days before Noah. Plus, if we are "evolving" but there are humans bigger than us, that is the opposite of evolution." - tk



just for the sheer lack of understanding of evolutionary theory. Honestly, have these people read *nothing* on the subject?

Miss Tick sniffed. 'You could say this piece of advice is pricesless', she said. 'Are you listening?'
'Yes' said Tiffany.
'Good now...If you trust in yourself.."
'Yes..?'
'..and believe in your dreams...'
'yes?'
'...and follow your star..' Miss Tick went on.
'Yes?'
'You'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy. Goodbye.'
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Ricky
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  16:29:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert

This is mine:
quote:
"geomagnetic-field reversals" - From a quote in a post by Ricky

"Yes, I cannot see in any way how magnetic polarity can actually switch. To my knolage, there have been no instances of even very SMALL magnets switching polarities (much less something large...like say, the earth)" - Crucible Guardian

But, Ricky, what's the Crucible Guardian and why were you quoting them?



Crucible is basically denying that the magnetic field of Earth reverses every (I think) 500,000 years. He clearly does not understand what some like to call, "Science".

Edit: Hmm, maybe I'm not understanding your question. Crucible Guardian has made a few posts in skeptictimes, and that was one of them. I just made a collection of all the posts from the "Creationists Only" folder, just for fun.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
Edited by - Ricky on 10/04/2004 16:31:11
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  17:12:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
Edit: Hmm, maybe I'm not understanding your question. Crucible Guardian has made a few posts in skeptictimes, and that was one of them. I just made a collection of all the posts from the "Creationists Only" folder, just for fun.



Ah, he's a poster. Ok, I get it now. The name "Crucible Guardian" made me think it was some sort of a fundy newpaper or publication or something, but then I couldn't understand how even they could mispell "knowledge." Then seeing your name confused me even further, thinking it was something you were citing to make some point or other.

But yeah, the fact that it's just an ignorant creationist once again demonstrating an utter lack of anything approaching scientific literacy makes a great deal of sense. That's originally the way I read it, then somehow ended up confusing myself on subsequent re-readings.


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
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Ricky
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  17:17:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Nah, I think the confusion was on my part. I'm going to go through the whole list and format it (while adding quotes from other sections on their forum) to make it clear.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  22:45:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Plyss
quote:

"Well the Bible talks about there being "giants in the earth" in the days before Noah. Plus, if we are "evolving" but there are humans bigger than us, that is the opposite of evolution." - tk



just for the sheer lack of understanding of evolutionary theory. Honestly, have these people read *nothing* on the subject?

The giants they were talking about is probably one of the pictures of a "gigant skeleton" hoax that was posted in a few net-papers. I think it's from a PhotoShop contest. A few archeologists digging up a skeleton. If you search the humor section of Skeptic Friends, references to that pic should be there.

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H. Humbert
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USA
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Posted - 10/04/2004 :  23:16:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. MabuseThe giants they were talking about is probably one of the pictures of a "gigant skeleton" hoax that was posted in a few net-papers. I think it's from a PhotoShop contest. A few archeologists digging up a skeleton. If you search the humor section of Skeptic Friends, references to that pic should be there.

Yeah, except he claims to have seen it on CNN, and that moreover it is only one giant skeleton of a slew that have been discovered:
quote:
"when will evolutionists ever give up? I mean, we've found giant skeletons before, and now they found another one...when are they ever going to admit that they are just WRONG!?" - Jimi

See, it's statements like these that make me want to repeatedly dunk their heads underwater until they admit they have no idea what they're talking about. You know, I can chuckle at the crystal healers and psychics, shake my head at the ufologists, slowly back away from the conspiracy theorists--but creationists always make my blood boil. I think it's a combination of things: 1) Blind adherence to a religious text 2) systemic and willful distortion of science, and 3) their push to teach this garbage in classrooms and pollute young minds.

A lot of the other stuff is pretty crazy and fringe. You don't see a push to teach "The Secret Lives on Plants" in a botany class, yet it seems every year some state legislature makes the news for enacting some type of restriction on the teaching of evolution at the behest of creationists.

At least you can see the humor in it, Ricky. And thanks for giving me a smile as well. Nice work on the reformat, BTW. Looks good.

And just for the record, for some reason Verlch doesn't set me off. I think its because he's so crazy and ill-informed that there's no risk of him ever successfully persuading a sane person to adopt his views.


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/04/2004 23:24:45
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filthy
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USA
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Posted - 10/05/2004 :  02:31:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I am remimded of the Cardiff Giant, a hoax that was on display for a long time. Some vacuumheads still believe it.

Don't have a reference handy but will get one later, if asked.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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Valiant Dancer
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USA
4826 Posts

Posted - 10/05/2004 :  07:03:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:

"have u noticed how many of them have left? have u noticed how if they don't know something they claim it's not an argument? amazing. sincerely though, about this ccdi9. they have no clue so they just act like it's not an argument. hannah has done well and they didn't understand it." - kevkev



This one gets me right in the funny bone.

I did actually find a reference to ccdi9 which does hint at what it might be.

"ccdi9 (a biomechanic mechanism that totally would prevent gradualistic evolution)" -- tksgurl

Now what it actually is, is unknown. It might be pseudoscientific gobbletygook pulled from Hovind's ass.


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filthy
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Posted - 10/05/2004 :  07:39:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I think that we need a new hypothisis. Hovind's ass is obviously so tight that not even light can escape. Thus, he spews great quanities of impacted shit from his other end, when at the podium. And so, in reality, his seminars and speechs are emergency, vocal bowel movements.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 10/05/2004 :  08:01:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
I was wrong about the location of the post referring to the giant skeleton.
It's in the evolution-folder:

http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2815


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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/05/2004 :  08:27:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by filthy

I think that we need a new hypothisis. Hovind's ass is obviously so tight that not even light can escape. Thus, he spews great quanities of impacted shit from his other end, when at the podium. And so, in reality, his seminars and speechs are emergency, vocal bowel movements.





Now, now. The reason Hovind's ass is so tight is because he's got his head up there. And light can escape, just rationality can't.


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Maverick
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Posted - 10/05/2004 :  09:23:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Maverick a Private Message
The SkepticTimes is a joke, and the forum is a joke, and the morons that participate on that forum are all jokes. They are dishonest to use the word "skeptic" to describe themselves. If they are going to propose their pretendscience then surely they can at least pretend to be honest.

"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan
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