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Ricky
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Posted - 06/26/2007 :  21:57:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It seems like this has nothing to do with the cost of organic foods, or even what can and can't be put into them. Rather, manufacturers were misinterpreting the USDA's requirements for organic food, the USDA tried to change this and messed up in the process. For example:

Food Navigator:
According to USDA, organic producers and handlers until recently may have misinterpreted regulations to mean that any non-organic agricultural substance could be used in organic products if this was determined unavailable in organic form by an accredited certifying agent.

The new rule proposes the addition of 38 non-organic ingredients - including colors, starches and oils - to the list. These are currently being used in organic food production due to the industry misinterpretation. Their addition to the list would prevent disruption to business following a National Organic Program regulation, which came into effect June 9.


And the LA Times says:


The nation's largest brewer said Wednesday that because of inaction on proposed regulations by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, it had started using 100% organic hops in its two beers that carry the "USDA Organic" seal. Previously, less than 10% of the beers' hops were organic.


So it seems like they are just trying to get things back to the way they used to be.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
Edited by - Ricky on 06/26/2007 22:00:47
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/27/2007 :  14:16:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

I sell some organic foods.
Thus you have admitted to fleecing the proles, making you one of the elite, and everything you write must be viewed in the light of your profit-making agenda. Somehow, it's obvious, you bad-mouthing the FDA will result in you making more money of the ignorant masses than you already do.

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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/27/2007 :  20:07:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

I sell some organic foods.
Thus you have admitted to fleecing the proles, making you one of the elite, and everything you write must be viewed in the light of your profit-making agenda. Somehow, it's obvious, you bad-mouthing the FDA will result in you making more money of the ignorant masses than you already do.



If I was not an honest man, yes I could participate in the game. I teach my customers not to buy the inferior products(showing them why they are inferior); some choose to do so anyway.



What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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furshur
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  06:05:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If I was not an honest man, yes I could participate in the game. I teach my customers not to buy the inferior products(showing them why they are inferior); some choose to do so anyway.

You have proven many times that you are not an honest man on this forum.

Now we come to find that you are one of the elite, standing on the neck of the proles - it is all becoming clear.


If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  06:38:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  09:07:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by furshur

If I was not an honest man, yes I could participate in the game. I teach my customers not to buy the inferior products(showing them why they are inferior); some choose to do so anyway.

You have proven many times that you are not an honest man on this forum.

Now we come to find that you are one of the elite, standing on the neck of the proles - it is all becoming clear.





If it makes you feel better to assume dishonestly so as to not have to accept facts that disturb your world view, this is you right.


What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  10:24:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

If I was not an honest man, yes I could participate in the game. I teach my customers not to buy the inferior products(showing them why they are inferior); some choose to do so anyway.
If you were an honest man standing on principle, you wouldn't even stock the inferior products because you know you're selling crap, and that would be unacceptable to you.

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  10:47:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ive never met an honest man, its quite an honor.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Boron10
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  13:04:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Boron10 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

Ive never met an honest man, its quite an honor.
Try getting a dog, Diogenes!
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  18:52:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

If I was not an honest man, yes I could participate in the game. I teach my customers not to buy the inferior products(showing them why they are inferior); some choose to do so anyway.
If you were an honest man standing on principle, you wouldn't even stock the inferior products because you know you're selling crap, and that would be unacceptable to you.



Inferior does not denote "crap". The organic is inferior to the other items I sell, yet much better than most products one could buy.



What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  18:57:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Boron10

Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

Ive never met an honest man, its quite an honor.
Try getting a dog, Diogenes!



That link is hilarious! I knew not of Diogenes, thanks for that.



What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  21:13:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Inferior does not denote "crap".
Fine.
The organic is inferior to the other items I sell, yet much better than most products one could buy.
Why would you sell products which you know are inferior to others that you sell but which you know cost more unless you were doing it in order to purposefully gouge your customers?

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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  21:23:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Inferior does not denote "crap".
Fine.
The organic is inferior to the other items I sell, yet much better than most products one could buy.
Why would you sell products which you know are inferior to others that you sell but which you know cost more unless you were doing it in order to purposefully gouge your customers?



Because they are still good products, people want to buy them, and I make the same margin(not more); the manufactures are the gougers. My customers are informed that they are overpaying for the product. I believe in free informed choice. I have many choices some better than others. Based on what you are saying I should stock only the "best" of any category; this is not choice.



What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/28/2007 :  21:56:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Because they are still good products, people want to buy them, and I make the same margin(not more); the manufactures are the gougers. My customers are informed that they are overpaying for the product. I believe in free informed choice. I have many choices some better than others. Based on what you are saying I should stock only the "best" of any category; this is not choice.
Your customers get "free informed choice" by having other places at which to shop. You provide "choice" because if the proles insist on buying less-than-optimal products, you would prefer they do so at your store, instead of at your competitors', because that would lose you cash flow, regardless of what the margin is.

You began this thread by making a stand for the consumer. Turns out that when your profit margin is at stake, what's best for the consumer (dollar for dollar) is rejected in favor of giving them a "free choice" that doesn't hurt your bottom line (but may hurt the consumers'). In your store(s), the consumer's wallet is not protected, while yours is.

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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/29/2007 :  19:15:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send JEROME DA GNOME a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Because they are still good products, people want to buy them, and I make the same margin(not more); the manufactures are the gougers. My customers are informed that they are overpaying for the product. I believe in free informed choice. I have many choices some better than others. Based on what you are saying I should stock only the "best" of any category; this is not choice.
Your customers get "free informed choice" by having other places at which to shop. You provide "choice" because if the proles insist on buying less-than-optimal products, you would prefer they do so at your store, instead of at your competitors', because that would lose you cash flow, regardless of what the margin is.

You began this thread by making a stand for the consumer. Turns out that when your profit margin is at stake, what's best for the consumer (dollar for dollar) is rejected in favor of giving them a "free choice" that doesn't hurt your bottom line (but may hurt the consumers'). In your store(s), the consumer's wallet is not protected, while yours is.




This is convoluted reasoning, very much in character.


What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
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