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Dave W.
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 Posted - 09/18/2007 : 19:51:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Your arguments are ridiculous.
No one waved a gun.
No one incited a riot.
No one committed a crime.
You used the "fire in a crowded theater" idea incorrectly. |
Actually, you're the one making the argument that Meyer was arrested because he asked Kerry "an uncomfortable question." You have no evidence of this, or you would have posted it already, and you are ignoring evidence that the police were involved in the situation before Meyer ever got to the microphone to ask anything.
You asked for examples of speech that the state has the authority to stop. I gave them to you, and you call them "ridiculous." That's how your tyranny works, Jerome. If people don't agree with you, you insult them. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 09/18/2007 : 19:54:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I did not state "Meyer was tasered because he asked Kerry an "uncomfortable" question". |
Then what, exactly, did you mean by "...police tazer a college student for asking an uncomfortable question..."? What else could that use of "for" mean besides denoting a cause-and-effect relationship with "asking an uncomfortable question" as the cause and "police tazer a college student" as the effect?| I stated an example of what tyranny looks like. |
And in this thread, the only tyranny I'm interested in is your own, Jerome, because the authorities in Florida are dealing with the cops who abused their power over Meyer. |
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 09/18/2007 : 19:57:22 [Permalink]
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YO! I don't mean to take this important thread off course, but I think we could use a quick chuckle, thanks to the post from Jerry Gnome that shows a line by H. Humbert.
"It doesn't matter that the original studies were conducted by scientists or that they were peer reviewed." ---H. Humbert
That would be a Nabokov quote, one I love so much. I remember reading this novel in the Fort Ord, CA hospital with a broken hip at a horny 22 years of age. It was pure torture for me, no females around whatsoever or privacy: "Lolita, Light of My Life, Fire of My Loins."
Proceed with the tasering, fellow skeptics.
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Then what must be,
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 09/19/2007 : 05:26:09 [Permalink]
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Well, the Keystone Kops campus cops are now on administrative leave, as they should be, pending an investagation, and the kid is back on the street on his own recognisance, charged with Disorderly & Resisting, which seems proper but probably won't stick very tightly due to the idiotcy of the arrest. Which might inspire a lawsuit.
Here's Kerry's statement on it:
"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of answering him when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted."
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What it sugars off to is that the kid was a smartass, the cops were afraid of him and over-reacted, and both sides of it were stupid. Not much out of the ordinary, really, except for the presence of Kerry.
Tempest in a teapot.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/20/2007 : 20:48:20 [Permalink]
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T-shirts on sale here.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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moakley
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Posted - 09/20/2007 : 21:10:17 [Permalink]
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| No man. Better t-shirts are for sale here. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 17:20:53 [Permalink]
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Even better remix:
STOP , IT'S TAZER TIME
MC hammer remix of the "don't taze my bro" guy.
I do think it is sad that this is now a joke.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 18:52:03 [Permalink]
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(Except it's a "taser")
But I'm, uh, glad you feel bad it's a joke now after posting the whole t-shirt thing with the laughing smiley guy. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 09/25/2007 : 19:02:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
(Except it's a "taser")
But I'm, uh, glad you feel bad it's a joke now after posting the whole t-shirt thing with the laughing smiley guy.
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, as in ironic.
Maybe that was the wrong icon?
The point here is that when police overstepping the bounds of civility becomes a joke, society has lessened the constraints on the state.
Think honestly; if it were a politician that you distrust and dislike on the stage, would your reaction have been the same?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Tazer and Arrested by Kerry!
