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HalfMooner
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Posted - 03/13/2008 : 20:49:27 [Permalink]
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Hillary could have made a strong statement as I suggested earlier. Like Obama made to disavow racist Farrakhan's support. He did, she didn't.
No, Hillary may not control Ferraro, but she is supposed to control her own campaign, and who is part of it. She did not disavow Ferraro and her racism, and she should have. I still would vote for her if she were to become the Democratic nominee, as the next President is certainly going to be either McCain or one of these two Democrats. Easier to hold my nose for Hillary's stench than to wear a gas mask and endure another four years of poisonous rule by the GOP.
But, you know what? I think this fumble by Hillary is making it more unlikely than ever that I will have to make that painful compromise of my principles. I'm really expecting Obama to win now. (Remember Hillary's win in Texas last Tuesday? She actually lost there, as the caucuses after that vote have now given Obama most of that state's delegates.)
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 03/13/2008 : 22:11:43 [Permalink]
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Hillary has at last said, "I rejected what she said and I certainly do repudiate it." This is nearly a week late and at least two bits short, but it's at least a somewhat soothing statement, even as its incompleteness and tardiness draws further attention to her lack of swift and decisive leadership on Ferrara's racism. (What was she waiting for, an opinion poll?) I suppose I feel marginally better.
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@tomic
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Posted - 03/13/2008 : 22:32:35 [Permalink]
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Why did it take her so long? Did she just hear about it today? A late, watered down "repudiation" just ain't gonna cut it at this point. I come away thinking she agrees with Ferraro and felt compelled to come out against her comments just so she can act as if she's above it all.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/13/2008 : 22:33:24 [Permalink]
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Kil asked:
And how do you know Hillary "let her go on and on"? Really, how do you know Hillary didn't say "oh fuck, what the hell is she saying"?
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1. She still works for Hillary (the campaign manager). That is implicit agreement. If I'm wearing an Army uniform, I'm representing the Army, and if I do some bad thing and don't get punished, then it is seen by everyone else that I'm acting n accordance with what my superiors want. Same for almost all organizations.
So the fact that she didn't fire her campaign manager, or even reprimand her publicly, is implicit agreement. Hillary is their boss.
2. Even if Hillary had reacted that way privately to Ferraro and her campaign manager, it doesn't matter. She didn't step in and set things straight.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 03/13/2008 : 22:54:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by @tomic
Why did it take her so long? Did she just hear about it today? A late, watered down "repudiation" just ain't gonna cut it at this point. I come away thinking she agrees with Ferraro and felt compelled to come out against her comments just so she can act as if she's above it all.
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Unfortunately, that's not an unreasonable conclusion. It's also not unreasonable to think she may not agree with Ferraro, but is simply too opportunistically cautious to have cut straight to the ethics of the matter and do the right thing immediately. That has an element of racism to it, as well. I sure hope she doesn't get the nomination.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/15/2008 : 04:57:16 [Permalink]
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Hillary is consistently coming up a day late and a dollar short in her reactions to other's gaffes - Bill's, Ferraro's and certainly her own extremely stupid refusal to admit her MISTAKE in voting for Cheney's war in Iraq!
I am totally sick of her political hypocrisy, if she can't (more likely won't) control the folks of her campaign staff and swallow her stupid pride enough to say I was wrong about Iraq; she looks more and more like the standard issue, slash and burn Republican terrorist politician who would murder, rape, and steal to get into the White House, and once there, continue to murder, rape, and steal (from) the American Public.
I would almost rather vote for McCain. GOD DAMN, did I actually say that?? ....(spit, spit, vomit, cough..ggghhhhg!)
I saw John the Fellator sucking away on the johnson of another nutcase fundie preacher on the Tube today. I had to run to the toilet before I threw up all over the new carpet. Much as I love professional pornography, I just HATE these fucking amateurs! They don't swallow, but they sure as hell expect YOU to! A lot!
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/15/2008 : 09:14:24 [Permalink]
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Okay, the way I see it is that Hillary didn't respond soon enough. And the early response was lame spin. Hillary did respond on Wednesday, even though it wasn't posted here until thursday. So we have to credit her a day.
Looking at her history, I think, is the best gage of whether she is racist. Her history says no, so I take her at her word on that. The problem i see is incompetence. Incompetence because she made the wrong moves while running for the highest office in the land, with regard to Ferraro's statements. We do like to see our favorite candidates in some kind of control over their staff, which says something about leadership ability. If she crashes and burns, which is where this is going, oh well. As I said before, Ferraro was doing her no favors. And neither was the top of her campaign staff.
Hillary lost me a while ago when she co-sponsored a flag burning amendment anyway, which to me is basic first amendment stuff.
Now, the real problem is this as I see it. Though I doubt that Hillary will get the nomination at this point, if she does I will vote for her. The risk is too great for another four years of the same lunatics running the show. Just yesterday, Bush had the EPA relax its standards for auto emissions by putting white house pressure on them. And then there is the war. And really, so many other things that even an imperfect democrat would handle differently. Anyone up for four more years of a complete disregard for science? And how about four more years of a creeping theocracy? Roe V. Wade anyone?
Sorry, but I will choose pragmatism over idealism when push comes to shove, because I don't think the country can survive four or eight more years of the kind of administration that has been in place for the last eight years. (Hell, I'm not sure if we survived the last eight years yet. We're in a deep mess both here and around the world.) At this point, I think it would be lunacy to allow that to happen. And that is what's at stake.
I would not be patting myself on the back for sticking to my principals if I helped to bring about a result that was worse than the ideals I am closest too.
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filthy
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Posted - 03/15/2008 : 09:33:42 [Permalink]
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Well said, Kil!
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@tomic
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/16/2008 : 22:23:33 [Permalink]
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Kil said:
| Looking at her history, I think, is the best gage |
Dave_W says you are wrong.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/17/2008 : 06:23:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Kil said:| Looking at her history, I think, is the best gage |
Dave_W says you are wrong. |
I also said it's our only predictor that makes any sense, so it's necessarily the "best" out of a sample size of one, regardless of its actual reliability.
But Kil is, indeed, wrong: it's spelled "gauge." |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/17/2008 : 07:17:03 [Permalink]
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Dave:
But Kil is, indeed, wrong: it's spelled "gauge." |
No. I simply gave it a new spelling.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/17/2008 : 07:45:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Dave:
But Kil is, indeed, wrong: it's spelled "gauge." |
No. I simply gave it a new spelling.
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No, you gave the post a new meaning:
gage: noun
1. something, as a glove, thrown down by a medieval knight in token of challenge to combat.
2. Archaic. a challenge.
3. Archaic. a pledge or pawn; security.
–verb (used with object) 4. Archaic. to pledge, stake, or wager.
I love the English language; it's just so filled unintended consequences.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Starman
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/17/2008 : 07:54:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by Kil
Dave:
But Kil is, indeed, wrong: it's spelled "gauge." |
No. I simply gave it a new spelling.
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No, you gave the post a new meaning:
gage: noun
1. something, as a glove, thrown down by a medieval knight in token of challenge to combat.
2. Archaic. a challenge.
3. Archaic. a pledge or pawn; security.
–verb (used with object) 4. Archaic. to pledge, stake, or wager.
I love the English language; it's just so filled unintended consequences. |
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