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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 06/13/2007 : 20:08:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
You are a De facto troll, a poor troll, but a troll none the less.
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Wait, what was that a real response. I know what to do : insult. Yeaa insults, they are my friends when I can not think what to do.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 20:19:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Please compare the 10 points of the communist manifesto, so as to ascertain whether Syria is a communistic state. |
You offered Syria as an example of a state that is zero percent communistic. Yet there they are with that centralized economic power. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 20:42:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Please compare the 10 points of the communist manifesto, so as to ascertain whether Syria is a communistic state. |
You offered Syria as an example of a state that is zero percent communistic. Yet there they are with that centralized economic power.
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Opps, I did not read the question correctly.
No nation is 0% communist.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 21:06:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
No nation is 0% communist. |
So whether a nation is "de facto" communistic is entirely open to interpretation and subjectivity, since there is no standard for defining "heavy" taxation (for one example out of ten). And no states which aren't a little bit commie, so it's all a matter of scale.
I bet the old U.S.S.R. wasn't 100% communistic, either. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 21:16:01 [Permalink]
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American government and society exhibit a substantially more communistic form than the republic which was founded.
Every thing is to degrees.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 21:18:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
American government and society exhibit a substantially more communistic form than the republic which was founded.
Every thing is to degrees. |
"Substantially more" is not the same as "de facto." |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 21:23:45 [Permalink]
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De facto means in reality without overt statement. If America is more communistic than republic, yet is claimed republic, that is de facto.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 21:38:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
De facto means in reality without overt statement. If America is more communistic than republic, yet is claimed republic, that is de facto. |
False dichotomy. You are failing to consider other possible descriptors, demanding that the U.S. be one of two. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 21:41:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
De facto means in reality without overt statement. If America is more communistic than republic, yet is claimed republic, that is de facto. |
False dichotomy. You are failing to consider other possible descriptors, demanding that the U.S. be one of two.
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Current American government exhibits all of the traits of a communist state to varying degrees that would lead anyone unencumbered by years of propaganda to conclude that America is a communistic state.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JohnOAS
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 22:39:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Perrodetokio asked "Whatīs so wrong about free public schools?"
The ability for forced indoctrination.
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I can't see how non-free public schools would be inherently free of forced indoctrination.
I can't see why non-government schools would be inherently free of forced indoctrination.
I can't see how home schooling would be would be inherently free of forced indoctrination.
What is your point? What is the alternative?
I'm not attempting to speak for Perrodetokio, but to refine the question slightly, what is wrong with free public schools that isn't also wrong with any other schooling system?
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John's just this guy, you know. |
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marfknox
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USA
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 03:36:15 [Permalink]
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Jerome wrote: | Current American government exhibits all of the traits of a communist state to varying degrees that would lead anyone unencumbered by years of propaganda to conclude that America is a communistic state. |
So now the reason we disagree with your claim that the USA "exhibits all the traits of a communist state to varying degrees" - meaning it is a de facto communist state - is because we are encumbered by years of propaganda, but you are not. This is just insulting. Most of the people on this forum many hold opinions that are radically different from what they were raised to believe.
Please name 3 examples (specific ones) of propaganda that has so encumbered our critical thinking abilities. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 04:41:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Current American government exhibits all of the traits of a communist state to varying degrees that would lead anyone unencumbered by years of propaganda to conclude that America is a communistic state. |
Fantastic, we've finally gotten a "No True Scotsman" argument from you. |
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 06:46:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Perrodetokio asked "Whatīs so wrong about free public schools?"
The ability for forced indoctrination.
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Yeah? Well, when you have an ignorant, analphabet majority they are very easy to manipulate by a minority ruling elite, and itīs cheaper than public schools. Do you want to force indoctrinate them? Give them NO education and shit jobs, then theyīll be forced to join the army, where you can more effectively brain-wash them. Plus you can make an idiot vote for you by telling them any old lie. Thatīs how many countries are governed.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 08:04:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Cune, the American constitution does not establish either democracy or capitalism.
Your retort once again is built on a false premise.
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I'd say that it establishes democracy. You know, elected officials and whatnot. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 09:02:58 [Permalink]
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John,
Market based schools would only have the indoctrination allowed by the buyers of the product. Larger selection of options.
Government schools (through economics) force a majority into state indoctrination.
Perrodetokio, I did not understand your last post; could you please restate so I can better understand.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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USA is a De facto communist state
