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H. Humbert
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 Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:03:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Yes. And please share with us on what you know on the origin of the earth.
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Bill, let's not get distracted into another "science requires faith" digression. It's been pointed out to you time and time again that just because science never proves anything, that doesn't mean all options are equally viable. At this point, there's nothing left to do but point and laugh at your foolishness. I mean face it. If you possessed intelligence and intellectual honesty, you wouldn't be a creationist to begin with. The fact that you learn about as quickly as a block of marble speaks only to your limitations, no one else's, and especially not those of science.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:06:42 [Permalink]
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Hey all-- I'd rather we keep this thread more focused on discussing the video clips Dave linked to in the original post.
If anyone is interested in getting into an actual discussion about the merits (or rather, the significant lack thereof) of Creationism, the Creation/Evolution folder is certainly the place to have that discussion. But perhaps it's best to put it in a new thread. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:16:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Bill scott
Yes. And please share with us on what you know on the origin of the earth.
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Bill, let's not get distracted into another "science requires faith" digression. It's been pointed out to you time and time again that just because science never proves anything, that doesn't mean all options are equally viable. At this point, there's nothing left to do but point and laugh at your foolishness. I mean face it. If you possessed intelligence and intellectual honesty, you wouldn't be a creationist to begin with. The fact that you learn about as quickly as a block of marble speaks only to your limitations, no one else's, and especially not those of science.
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So you would rather not share with us what you know on the origins of the earth? That is surprising as you sound rather confident when you speak on it. It's almost as if you think that you do know. But I say that you don't. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:21:18 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by H. Humbert |
| Bill, let's not get distracted into another "science requires faith" digression. It's been pointed out to you time and time again that just because science never proves anything, that doesn't mean all options are equally viable. |
Neither does it prove that the creation option is false. And "equally viable" is all in the eye of the beholder. So what's your belief on the origin of the earth? Details please. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:30:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Hey all-- I'd rather we keep this thread more focused on discussing the video clips Dave linked to in the original post. |
Well, what I'm posting here is exactly what the videos are about, but it's not about the videos:
Originally posted by Bill scott
Why would this creationist ever claim to know that water was non-existent elsewhere in the solar system/universe? Not a well thought out statement of fact if you ask me. |
…He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone…
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Originally posted by Bill scott
We should have millions of missing links or transition fossils showing a fish turning into a philosopher if in fact this took place over millions of years yet we have none in our natural history museums?!?!
They will try to explain the universe and [physical matter] by saying you had these chemicals just floating around and through sheer luck and the right random process taking place physical matter and the universe somehow appeared.
What I have clearly demonstrated is that when carefully examined by the facts evolution is simply philosophy and NOT science.
See the evolution camp under the guise of science will fight to the bitter end to not allow the creation theory to even be mentioned in the public school.
150 and some odd years later and National Geographic was trying to pawn off on us the first [missing link] between bird and raptor.
[Evolutionary theory] is a set of beliefs that it supporters hold fast to despite the lack of any empiracal evidence. |
Originally posted by Bill scott
Whatever the scientists say, they can't be wrong. Just get a consensus and mix it in with a theory and *poof* you've now got empirical. Love how that science works.
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Originally posted by Bill scott
...York should go free as this was nothing more then his primordial instinct taking over at which point York was no longer responsible for his actions. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:56:38 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| I'm sure Bill will claim that he is not representative of all creationists, but his own "facts" leave as much to be desired as VenomFangX's, Hovind's and Comfort's "facts" do. The point of the video series, Why do people laugh at creationists? is that as a group, they need to make up "facts," and that those "facts" are often easily shown to be false. Bill's words, above, fall into this category. |
And so your representation of the whole abiogenesis account begins how? |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 14:08:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| I'm sure Bill will claim that he is not representative of all creationists, but his own "facts" leave as much to be desired as VenomFangX's, Hovind's and Comfort's "facts" do. The point of the video series, Why do people laugh at creationists? is that as a group, they need to make up "facts," and that those "facts" are often easily shown to be false. Bill's words, above, fall into this category. |
And so your representation of the whole abiogenesis account begins how? |
You missed the point entirely. You have suggested in this thread that the Creationists who were critiqued int he video clips were somehow unrepresentative of actual Creationism, and that actual Creationism-- the Creationism you subscribe to-- has merit. But as Dave has shown, you use the same sorts of arguments discussed in the clips.
And again, if people want to get into the origins of the earth or abiogenesis or evolution, a new thread would be the place to do it. |
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pleco
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 14:42:25 [Permalink]
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| No True Creationist-man |
by Filthy
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 14:42:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
And so your representation of the whole abiogenesis account begins how? |
And here we see the creationist two-step. I point out that you, Bill, seem to feel a need to invent "facts" about what "naturalists" or "materialists" say about abiogenesis, and rather than defend your position(s) (which I'm fairly certain you know you cannot), you instead try to distract away from this uncomfortable subject by saying, "look! Over there!"
If you wish to start another thread about abiogenesis, Bill, be my guest. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 16:17:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
| Originally posted by HalfMooner |
| What's consistent between all of these Creationists is the use of pious fraud. But who's to blame them? Logically, lies are the only way to attempt a "rational" explanation of the origins of the earth and life when that explanation contradicts hundreds of years of hard-won scientific knowledge. |
Yes. Please go further on what you know on the origins of the earth and life itself.
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As we've seen here for years, Bill, it's pretty much useless to try to inform someone who filters reality through a dark and distorted lens of Bronze Age piety. You, Bill, are intelligent enough to be able to understand these matters, but you have a faith-based cognitive dissonance that will not allow you to even study them.
[For those who are susceptible to reason, here's some basic information on the origin of the earth and the solar system, as presently understood by science. And here's a link to the discussion of abiogenesis, a scientific field of study which is in its infancy.]
As has been pointed out, this is not a thread to discuss details of science, but rather the ridiculousness (or not) of how Creationists present their arguments. Thanks for your contribution, Bill, in demonstrating that distraction is one of the key ways Creationists attempt to disrupt a rational argument.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 16:59:45 [Permalink]
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May have to submit Dave_W's collection of BS's quotes to http://www.fstdt.com!
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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Dave W.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 01/08/2008 : 17:43:58 [Permalink]
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Bah! All rethoric! Creationists are laughed at because they are funny.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:57:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Bah! All rethoric! Creationists are laughed at because they are funny.
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Really funny, 'specially that Duvenoy feller.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 04:52:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by filthy
Bah! All rethoric! Creationists are laughed at because they are funny.
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Really funny, 'specially that Duvenoy feller.
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Heh, indeed! 
The beauty of it is that we get to attack clueless evolutionists, of which there is rather an embarrassing abundance. Really! We get to flog them, chapter & verse, with Bible quotes & everything, and the beauty of that is that digging for reference increases our knowledge of that same Bible, which most of us have read, I'm sure, but not really dug in and studied.
Ol' doov went from lowly, 'Unsaved Trash Under Investigation' to 'Member' after a mere 13 posts.
"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city [of Darwin] with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword."
Take that, foul evilutionists! 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Why do people laugh at creationists?
